Jennifer Aniston says "Life's never been better"
as she turns thirty with a little help from her Friends
and a new love in Brad Pitt.
By Nancy Collins
Photography by Mark Seligere
Rolling Stone
March, 1999
When
I drive through the front gates of her house, high in the
Hollywood Hills, Jennifer Anston is already standing on
her porch, smiling. And with good reason. Having reached
thirty on February 11th, Aniston is in full sail. She�s
the star of America�s most popular sitcom-Friends, in its
fifth season, is drawing better ratings and reviews then
it did when it debuted. She�s in love with Brad Pitt, America�s
Number Seven favorite star of all time, according to a Harris
poll. Her film career is flourishing-catch her this month
in Office Space, the live-action directing debut of hip
TV animator Mike Judge (Beavis and Butthead, King of the
Hill). And as the photos on these pages attest, she�s never
been in better shape. �I got over my laziness,� she says.
�I got off my butt, off my couch and fell in love with being
physical,� She could be the poster girl for the right way
to turn thirty.
Aniston, wearing no makeup, is dressed in
Levi�s 501s and a tomato-colored T-shirt. But there�s no
hisding her spectacular figure. She may have a mind for
comedy, but she�s also got a body for sin. �Jennifer is
the girl next door-or the girl you�d like to have next door.�
Says Laurence Mark, who produced her last film, The Object
of My Affection. �And she�s a better actress than her TV
work lets you see.�
Aniston�s extra radiance these days has been
credited to Pitt, 35. Their friendship blossomed into something
stronger last spring, when Aniston started dating the star.
The buzz had them sneaking off to get married, everywhere
from the slopes of Aspen to the Chapel of the Quick I Dos,
in Vegas. The truth is: They aren�t married-not yet. In
the words of Jennifer�s actor father, John Aniston, �I haven�t
received a wedding invitation.� He adds, �Brad is a very
nice young man, and whatever makes Jennifer happy makes
me happy.� But is Brad Pitt worthy of his daughter? �Of
course not,� he says, laughing.
Aniston�s dad starred for twelve years as
the villainous Victor Kiriakis on the daytime soap Days
of our Lives, but a soap is just what Aniston doesn�t want
to see her life become. Highly publicized breakups-Aniston
with Tate Donovan and Pitt with Gwyneth Paltrow-have made
the couple wary of media glare. Aniston and Pitt even make
separate entrances at rock concerts (Hole at the Viper Room,
Los Angeles) and parties (an engagement fete for Friends
co-star Matt LeBlanc) to avoid being photographed together
and sparking more wedding talk.
Others close to Aniston, whose parents divorced
when she was nine years old, insist that she won�t rush
into her first marriage-and that when she does walk down
the aisle, it will be in a Vera Wang gown, surrounded by
family and a cast of-what else?-friends. Friend Lisa Kudrow,
whose infant son Aniston dotes on, says Pitt has changed
Aniston. �Jennifer�s a lot more peaceful now, like a woman
who�s in a good relationship,� says Kudrow. �There�s not
a lot to say about them because there�s no problems. They�re
both light-years ahead of themselves. You know how your
grandparents have a certain perspective about life? They�ve
got that now.�
At this moment, Aniston is proudly showing
off her antiques-filled house, with its walls of windows
that afford a sweeping view of Los Angeles. She rummages
through a kitchen drawer, producing before-and-after pictures
of the stark Fifitues-era home she has so deftly transformed.
In her office, sitting next to her computer in a silver
frame, is a photo of Pitt in silhouette. The only other
visual confirmation of their relationship sits on a large
gate door that Aniston has turned into a glass-topped coffee
table. There, amid a cluster of family photographs-the knowing
face of her Greek grandmother, the loving gaze of her brunet
mother, her handsome father holding baby Jennifer-is a more
contemporary shot. It�s a relaxed Pitt sitting on the patio,
laughing at an unidentifiable dark-haired man who seems
to have leapt up and surprised him.
Aniston laughs a lot, too. Beneath that mop
of the decade�s most famous hair is a woman of mind and
heart and staying power. Still, it�s clear that Aniston
approaches this conversation with the caution of an actress
who has endured five years of scrunity on everything from
her follicles to her sex life. Finally, her smile ready,
her cigarettes close at hand, Aniston perches, one leg tucked
un her, on a sofa cushion, ready to talk about her life.
Are you feeling any qualms or misgivings
about your thirtieth birthday? I�m excited to be thirty.
It feels like an accomplishment, for some reason. I don�t
know, like, no more excuses (laughs).
Frankly, life keeps getting better for
a woman, if she�s laid good groundwork, which you clearly
have-succesfull career, good friends, a little romance.
I have, I guess. Thank you.
Especially when you consider that, technically,
you�re first-generation American. Your father was born in
Crete and was brought to America when he was ten by his
parents, who opened a diner in Eddytown, Pennsylvania. Do
you still have family there? My grandmother lived there
in the same house until she passed away at ninety-four.
She was the godmother, the center of the family, amazingly
strong. She had the most beautiful skin, softest thing you
ever felt, wich I always attribute to her rubbing olive
oil on it. Greek mothers really take care of their men,
and my father was her only son. I probably shouldn�t say
this, but they say, �Never marry a Greek man, because he�ll
always expect you to wait on him� (Laughs).
Was your father close to his mother?
Yes. He could do no wrong in her eyes.
Your father is also an actor, mainly soap
operas. You were born in Los Angeles, where, I gather, he
was working. At that point, my father was struggling,
doing things like being a door-to-door salesman while my
mom modeled and did some acting. Finally, he decided to
forget acting and go to medical school; but he was too old
to get into universities here, so we moved to Greece for
a year when I was five. One day his agent called and said,
�There�s an audition you have to come back for.� So he did
and got a job on Love of Life. From there he went to Search
for Tomorrow and then Days. Anyway, we all moved to New
York in 1976. My brother-who�s nine years older than me-wanted
to be in sunny California, so he moved to L.A. when he was
eighteen.
Describe your father for me. Tall,
six feet two inches; a gentle giant, really. One of the
nicest men you�ll ever meet. Un believably shy and funny.
One thing I remember about my parents, when they were together,
is how fun they were.
And your mother, Nancy, what�s her background?
She�s from upstate New York, family of five sisters. My
mom�s mother left the family when my mother was about twelve,
which was an odd thing at that time.
What a blow that must have been. She
doesn�t talk about it a lot. The family then moved to California,
where my mom got a job at Universal, signing Rock Hudson�s
autograph (laughs). My mom is gorgeous, a pretty thing,
so men hired her. She was on The Red Skelton Show and had
a part on The Beverly Hillbillies. But she didn�t think
she was a good actress and quit. What she wanted was to
have a family.
What�s your mother like? My mom is
very warm, loving, nurturing, wise. Funny and old-fashioned.
She expects respect: �I�m the mother, I�m the elder.� It�s
good she got her rules, but you also want to go, �Mom, lighten
up, just hang out.�
Were you close? We had a really good
relationship. I wasn�t the easiest kid. I was a smartass
(laughs). I�m sure there a was a lot of strain on her, since
it was just she and I.
Your parents� marriage broke up when your
nine. Were you surprised? Oh, I was shocked.
How did you find out? My mom told me.
I went to a birthday party, and when I came back, she said,
�Your father�s not going to be around here for a little
while.� She didn�t say he was gone forever. I don�t know
if I blocked it, but I just remember sitting there, crying,
not understanding that he was gone. I don�t know what I
did later that night or the next day. I don�t remember anything
other than it being odd that all of a sudden my father wasn�t
there. And he was gone for a while.
How long? About a year.
You never heard from him once during that
period? No.
And it was your father who left the marriage?
Oh, yeah. He left her. There was another woman. That was
in November of 1979. Then, in the summer of 1980, there
was the other conversation that me mom and I had in the
car, which was, �Your father�s with someone else; he�s not
coming back.�
How long after that did you finally see
your dad again? About a year. He just called one day
and said, �Let�s go see The Fantasticks.� So we had a little
dinner and saw the show. After that, I started seeing him
on the weekends, and this new way of life just unfolded.
Were you angry or trying to please him
so he wouldn�t leave again? Pleasing, pleasing, pleasing,
everything to please.
Did you eventually ask him why he left?
Sure I did.
Does he explain it well? He does. Though
not at first. Like I said, he�s not a good communicator.
Maybe if my parents had talked more. There were signs, but
also, knowing my father, he probably didn�t say anything.
But, as best he could, my dad explained and apologized,
and it�s enough. We�ve made up. There�s still parts that
are hard for me, but I�m an adult. I can�t blame my parents
anymore.
What has been the most painful time of
your life? When my dad left. That was very painful.
Did your father eventually marry this woman?
Yes. They�re still married.
And your mother? Did she remarry? No.
I don�t know why. It�s a question I always ask her.
And what does she say? �I don�t like
any of them.� She�s too picky, too fickle
That�s a tough situation for an only child,
which you were since your brother was living in California.
In a sense you had to be both daughter and husband to your
mom. Yeah. The only resentment I have-and I�m letting
go of this one, too-is that, well�it�s a big responsibility
to think you�re responsible for your parent�s happiness.
And, lots of times, I felt like a middleman taking care
of two children.
What did your mother teach you about mothering?
Love, love, love. Support. Love, love, love.
And your dad about fatherhood? He wasn�t
around to do that. Maybe (laughs)-don�t marry a Greek man,
and just stick around. That�ll do it.
Was your mom ever bitter? She definitely
had moments of bitterness, because she had nowhere to go.
And that�s hard to watch. I feel like, �God, Mom, you were
robbed of so much opportunity. If you could�ve had a voice
in your ear saying, �Do what you want to do.�� But my mom
liked the security of a traditional marriage, didn�t mind
being the wife with the husband bringing home the bacon.
Your brother wasn�t affected by the breakup?
No. He felt badly that I was left with the situation while
he had the freedom to live his adult life. But he�s got
his own bag of issues. You can have a crappy childhood and
grow up to let it completely overwhelm you, or you can choose
to be a fighter and say, �I�m not going to let that happen.�
Which is what you did. Which is what
I did.
Did your father financially support you
and your mom? Yeah.
But money was an issue? Defenitely.
When you go to dinner, you order just what you need and,
�Yes, water will be fine.� We saw theatre, but I wasn�t
allowed to watch TV or see a lot of movies. Since we didn�t
have a lot of cash, it was more, �Here�s some dolls and
crayons to play with.�
How did you feel about money in general?
I couldn�t wait to finally go out and make my own. The idea
of never relying on someone else always thrilled me. That
way, what�s going on between two people is strictly what
each is bringing to the other: love, whatever. When you
hear people say, �I can�t leave because of money,� I mean,
dear God. I don�t want any relationship to be about money.
It�s too currupt.
Where did you and your mother live?
We lived on Ninety-second Street and Columbus Avenue, which
at the time was pretty seedy. But for me it was amazing
(laughs). We were on the twenty-first floor with a balcony-you
could see the Empire State Building. It was in, like, a
project, but it was beautiful. (Laughs) I wouldn�t change
anything. As much as I curse my parents at times, I also
thank them for all of it.
In New York, you attended the progressive
Rudolf Steiner School. Were you a good student? I was
rowdy, spent a lot of time in the principal�s office. Actually,
I have regrets about my education. I cut off my nose to
split my face, because I was trying to get attention. I
didn�t take in as much as I could have.
Later, you went to the High School for
the Performing Arts, the one celebrated in the movie �Fame.�
I�d seen Fame I don�t know how many times. I got the idea
that I could go to a school for acting and get started.
My dad was against it, but my mom was great in encouraging
me: �Keep going, keep going.� The school was a lot of fun.
I couldn�t wait to put on my tights and go in there. Any
teacher there will tell you that I was the worst. But I
didn�t care. I didn�t get the parts in big plays, but I
definitely enjoyed myself. One time a teacher sat me down
after endless takes of this scene and said, �You have a
talent for comedy.�
I said, �What do you mean?� He said, �You�re
funny, so you�ve got to be careful. Don�t let it be an escape,
an easy place to go to avoid going deep.� And he was right.
Of course, I said, �Don�t worry. I�m not a comedienne. I�m
a serious sixteen-year-old actress� (laughs).
Did you always want to act? Yes. In
retrospect, maybe, it was all I thought I could do. Maybe,
because of my childhood, I was escaping, wanted to be a
clown, be happy.
After graduating from the High School for
the Performing Arts, you skipped college for the basic training
of any dedicated actress: waitressing. Did you also audition?
Basically I was a waitress who auditioned on the side (laughs).
And I was very happy. I�d get a job in a play, think it
was great, then go right back to waitressing. Somehow, anything
else seemed unattainable. I always said, �God, I wonder
if I�ll get there.�
And where was�there? The movies, TV,
California. Something other than waitressing. But I also
thought, �Maybe I�ll just meet somebody and get married.
Who knows?
It doesn�t sound like you were driven.
I was driven, but maybe I didn�t have a complete enough
belief in myself to give me that animal drive.
You were still living with your mother?
Yeah. In the summer of �89, I came to visit my dad in California
and started auditioning here, which was the scariest thing,
meeting people who asked, �What have you done? Theater in
New York?� I hadn�t done much, so everything on my resume
was made up. Then I got a sitcom pilot and kept extending
my stay.
What part did romance play in all this?
When, for instance, did you first realize you were attractive
to men? I don�t know if I do (laughs).
Well,
did you date in high school? I did. Guys liked to hang
out with me. I thought because I had a quirky personality
and was cute.
When did you have your first serious boyfriend?
I�ve had serious boyfriends all my life. My first? I was
fourteen. We dated for a year and a half. Then, my high
school sweetheart lasted two years. After him, there were
three years when I was alone.
Were you lonely? I always found ways
of entertaining myself. Men shouldn�t be your whole life.
That�s what I took from my childhood-that I will never depend
on a man as much as my mom depended on my father. I have
a full life, he has a life of his own, and if we can merge,
terrific. But a relationship isn�t going to make me survive.
It�s the cherry on top. It wasn�t until I moved to California
that I had my first real, mature relationship.
Who was he? Daniel McDonald, who was
nominated for a Tony for Steel Pier. When we broke up, he
moved to New York and started doing great. Just before Friends,
we broke up.
What was his reaction to your subsequent
megastardom? Oh, he�s just wonderful. A dear friend.
Oh, we�re not going into relationship talk, are we? (A look
of consternation crosses Aniston�s face.)
What advice did your mother give you about
men? To be loved, happy, not to ever settle for something
less than you deserve. Don�t rely on men, but don�t shun
them, either. They�re not your enemies. Of course, she was
speaking from her own regrets about marriage. Discouraged
and disappointed about the way her own worked out, but positive
about it.
So what do you look for in a man? A
friend, someone who�s equal, with whom you�re comfortable.
The ultimate is finding a place where you have no inhibitions,
nothing to hide, where you can learn with one another. Of
course, I�m not above going, �And he did that!� Every man
I�ve been with, I have to say, �Thank you for this lesson.�
I�m learning myself. Generally they�ve been great, but some
suck.
Last spring you broke up with actor Tate
Donovan, with whom you�d lived for two years. Prior to you,
Donovan lived with Sandra Bullock, a relationship that,
reportedly, soured when her career soared and his didn�t.
It was said that your relationship with Donovan suffered
the same end. That wasn�t actually why we broke up.
But because we didn�t give the press anything, they made
it up. Tate�s and my breakup had nothing to do with ego
battles, wanting babies, not wanting marriage-all that stuff.
None of it was accurate.
Tate did say once that you two wanted to
get married. He did? Well, when you�re older and in
relationships, everyone is a possible life partner. Your
intention is not, �Let�s hang out for a couple of years
and then break up� (laughs. Everybody wants to be happy,
but it�s not the relationship�s responsibility to make you
so.
But you do want to get married someday?
Sure. Marriage is wonderful. But I�m not desperate, I�m
not itching for it. It�s something that, hopefully, at one
time in my life, I�ll be able to do.
It�s not something that you and Brad did
over the recent holidays, is it? Rumors have been rampant.
No! No! And that�s what�s so amusing-all these detailed
stories claiming, �Two sources said� or �I have sources,�
yet nothing ever comes from the horse�s mouth. I just wants
and laugh.
Well, may I ask what attracts you to this
man, at this time? Frankly, you and Brad seem very well-suited.
Oh, I hate this! I can�t talk about it. I�m sorry. I�m not
withholding, just preserving something that�s mine.
Your critics say you�re trying to attract
publicity by denying the relationship. No. No. It�s
not that at all. How funny.
They figure, �People know you�re together,
so why not give the press their picture and be done with
it?� Because we chose not to. My responsibility to the
public is my work-not what goes on in my private life. To
talk about a relationship trivializes something that�s nobody�s
business. When it comes to privacy issues, it�s a tough
one. Because I�m a talker (laughs).
Is there anything you feel comfortable saying
about your relationship with Brad-besides that you�re not
married?(Aniston buries her face in her hands for a full
minute before speaking haltingly.) I�ll just tell you that
this is the happiest time of my life-that I�m happier than
I�ve ever been. I�m not saying why, it�s for a lot of reasons:
work, love, family, just life-all of it.
Assuming that Brad is a big part of that
education, what else makes you happier than you�ve ever
been? What I�m discovering about myself as an actor,
Friends opened up a world of opportunities. So now it�s,
�OK, what�s next?� I�m excited to see if I can exercise
different muscles. It�s not that I don�t enjoy romantic
comedies. But give me a shot at something different.
Aren�t you more confident as an actor than
before? I am. But I�m not sitting back saying, �I�m
set for the rest of my life.� They�ll take it away as quickly
as they give it to you in this business. There�s going to
be times, I�m sure, when I�ll try something and it�ll be
awful and people will rip me apart, but I�ll try not to
listen so it doesn�t intimidate me from taking the next
leap. And the same with relationships. If one doesn�t work
out, it can�t make me lose faith in taking the next leap.
I�m always going to be open for it.
What a wonderful way to feel at thirty.
It�s a very exciting time. It�s been happening for the last
two years-me saying, �I�m going to try this, regardless
of what critics think.� You can�t help but feel bad when
someone says, �Aw, she�s nothing but a hairstyle� (laughs).
People say unbelievable mean things, but it can�t distract
me from what I want for my own self. And if that means creeping
along, not becoming big box office, like Julia Roberts,
then that�s OK.
Do you think you can be a big-time movie
star? I don�t know. Maybe.
Do you consider yourself a movie star now?
Not at the moment.
What is a movie star to you? Someone
successful in film, making millions.
She or he also has to have that inexplicable
star appeal. I�d like to think I have that in me. I
certainly have the desire. I don�t want to be there because
my press is more powerful than my work. I want to have a
body of work where I feel proud to say, �Now I feel like
I�ve earned this label of movie star.� And, eventually,
I will.
How long will you stay with �Friends�?
We�re all with Friends until Friends dies. If one is us
goes, we all go. One of us wouldn�t leave. It wouldn�t be
the show it is without each of us.
Give me a thumbnail sketch of your relationship
with each member of the cast, starting with the boys.
The boys are like brothers, especially Matt LeBlanc. He�s
the guy who says, �Hey, they mess with you, tell me about
it and I�ll take care of them.� When I first met him, I
was scared of him, but he�s the biggest teddy bear on the
planet, like your goombah.
David Schwimmer is the most commited, talented
person. We watch out for each other in our scenes, and David�s
got that director�s eye. He can fix scenes. Matthew Perry
and I have been friends since I moved to Los Angeles. I�ve
gotten so mad at Matthew-we�ve all gotten so mad at each
other-but we can do that because we love each other that
much. We have this wonderful bond where I feel protected,
loved and cared about-and it�s not bullshit. It�s fun to
watch people grow. When you watch the show in reruns�it�s
so funny to be flipping channels and see an old episode
and think, �God, we were awful�(laughs). Such babies.�
And the female Friends? The girls are
very close and always will be. Try getting us out of our
dressing rooms when one of us is needing to talk-it�s impossible.
Our poor (assistant directors) are saying, �We need you
downstairs.� And we�re like, �This is priority. Friend in
need!� (Laughs) Courteney Cox is the doer, the organizer;
I�m the emotional one (laughs); and Lisa�s the intellectual,
very cerebral.
Are you happy with your salary on �Friends�?
Even with each of you getting $100,000 an episode, NBC gets
a bargain, considering the �Seinfeld� cast made $600,000
each. They do get a bargain, but when you look back,
Friends will, hopefully, be part of television history.
As for now, we just keep going to work, doing our jobs.
I go to work nine to five, come home, make dinner, order
in, watch movies, read scripts, see my friends. It feels
like I�m calm while that circus is happening outside.
You seem inordinately grounded. This,
I know, comes from having a divorced family, watching emotions
run rampant and trying to understand them. But I credit
my friends. I never got with a bad crowd. When I moved to
L.A., I didn�t go through the wrong people to find the right
ones. I have the same group around me that I�ve had since
I landed here ten years ago. The most important thing is
to stay focused.
Being one of the most watched, most liked
women on TV, how do you explain your appeal? What is
it about you? Oh, I have no idea (laughs). What do you think?
A girl�s first mirror is her mother, What
did she tell you? My mom is very focused on beauty.
I didn�t care about it as much. Now it�s funny-and pathetic-but
her advice was always about making my features more than
they were: �Always outline your lips, dear. They�re so tiny.
Make your lips bigger.� Or, �You have no cheekbones; you�ve
got to contour in your cheekbones.� You got to the point
where you felt like you were the ugliest duckling on the
planet. She definitely wasn�t great when it came to that
kind of honesty. That�s why it�s so ironic that�
You�re now considered a babe? Well,
I know I�m not awful looking, but�
Still, that comment from a parent is a
thing you�ll never forget. Ever. I still remember them.
Verbatim.
And did you follow her advice? Yes.
The makeup I�d wear was un believable. Then one of my first
boyfriends in California said, �You are so much more beautiful
to me without makeup,� and I couldn�t believe it. Finally,
I stopped wearing it.
How did you feel about your face then?
Liberated. I didn�t care. This is me, who I am. I don�t
know what I was trying to prove, what I was hiding, with
all that stuff on my face.
You were trying to please mom. Yeah.
Your mom isn�t going to lie. I didn�t want my looks to be
my only ticket, because I didn�t feel I had that one to
ride on. I don�t want to paint a shallow picture of my mother,
but how you looked was so important.
And didn�t you also once drop thirty pounds?
I was not thirty pounds overweight, I was ten, maybe twenty.
I�m 110, I�ve been 130, and I�m five feet five.
Why did you decide to diet? Because
my agent told me to-and I curse that day, because from then
on, I became conscious. I�d auditioned and, yet again, made
the final call back but didn�t get the job. Right before
the call back, they told me I had to show up in a leotard
and tights. And I joked to my agent, �This�ll blow it for
me.� To which he said, �I�ve been meaning to tell you�-and
it was a guy saying this-�you should drop a couple of pounds.�
I said, �What?� And then I just did it.
So as a teenager, you didn�t buy into skinny
syndrome. I didn�t. Of course, I never wore jeans, only
huge sweaters and big skirts because I was hip-y. I was
just as happy before I was thinner, by the way. My life
wasn�t different, except people, mostly men, changed. I
didn�t get asked out more, but I definitely got more�
Looks? (Laughs) Looks. Yeah. I also
started getting hired, which made me realize, �So that�s
what�s this is about.�
Do you consider yourself a confident person?
No, but more so than before. It�s getting rid of that history:
�You�re not good enough, talented enough, pretty enough.�
Do you think you�re sexy? I have moments
when I do.
Are you a compulsive dieter? Have you
heard about the Zone?
The diet? Yes, but it�s not a diet,
it�s a way of life. It got to the point where I was so sick
of gimmicks: �Oh, this week, I�ll have oil on the side,
no butter-no fun.� Like most women, I was fed up with having
to look like something I wasn�t. It was too painful, not
to mention a pain in the ass. Now I work out about three
times a week for an hour and call it a day. Unfortunately,
celebrities don�t help. �Cause we�re put in this light of�
Perfection? But it�s just part of our
job. And it�s so unrealistic. For instance (laughs), I just
found out that I�m cross-eyed. I always thought I just had
an astigmatism. Finally, I went to see a real ophthalmologist-I
never had an expensive checkup like that. And she tells
me, �You have conjunctive excess.�
Sounds like a sex crime. Right. She
said, �It means you�re cross-eyed.� I said, �What?� But
then I recalled the sheet I filled out that asked, �Did
you have the sheet I filled out that asked, �Did you have
problems playing sports as a child? Fall asleep when you
were reading? Get bored? Eyes wander? Reread paragraphs?
To all of which I said, �Yes.� As a child, I thought they
were just my weaknesses. But it was all because the muscle
is weak. I have this thing I do that freaks people out (crosses
only her right eye). They always ask, �How do you cross
only one eye?� My mother always said, �Don�t do it, it�ll
stay that way.�
Your eye doesn�t look that crossed.
(Aniston turns her head, crosses her one
eye again, then laughs, staring straight at me.) It
all depends on the angle.
Just like life.